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	<title>Comments on: This Generation Loves &#8220;Authentage&#8221; (Authentic + Vintage)</title>
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		<title>By: Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/05/07/this-generation-loves-authentagevintage-authentic/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bahler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Ted,

Interesting thought regarding urban vs rural. I grew up in a rural environment and we had many beautiful catholic buildings built in the 30&#039;s that just made me stand in awe. 

The trend towards the city areas I sense is more about community and connection. People are wanting a place of connection and belonging. See the underlying movement about &quot;The Search To Belong&quot; for more.

I do feel there may be a backlash against the worship warehouse spaces that simply have no soul at all. A sense of the transcendent instinctively for me entails beauty and awe. Our churches lacked that the past 20 years as we reacted against the &quot;Print Age&quot; church structures.  It could be as much about a post modern, logic based thought, backlash than anything.

Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ted,</p>
<p>Interesting thought regarding urban vs rural. I grew up in a rural environment and we had many beautiful catholic buildings built in the 30&#8242;s that just made me stand in awe. </p>
<p>The trend towards the city areas I sense is more about community and connection. People are wanting a place of connection and belonging. See the underlying movement about &#8220;The Search To Belong&#8221; for more.</p>
<p>I do feel there may be a backlash against the worship warehouse spaces that simply have no soul at all. A sense of the transcendent instinctively for me entails beauty and awe. Our churches lacked that the past 20 years as we reacted against the &#8220;Print Age&#8221; church structures.  It could be as much about a post modern, logic based thought, backlash than anything.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/05/07/this-generation-loves-authentagevintage-authentic/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there a link where we can see all these pictures the test subjects were shown?  

I wonder if there isn&#039;t an aspect of urban vs. rural / suburban preference in the responses.  I don&#039;t have numbers, but I believe there is a strong interest in todays 20 - 30 something year olds to be connected to urban centers.  Young people are living in cities and fleeing the boring suburban areas where their parents live.  Real estate values in many inner cities (Seattle, San Francisco, New York, Boston) have been holding strong depite the tumble in the market elsewhere, meaning there is strong demand by people wanting to move there.

To my mind, cathedrals are associated with city centers whereas other church architectures (particularly the ones in the above insert) are more associated with the suburbs.

I wonder how people would respond to a church that doesn&#039;t look like a church - like one in an old warehouse or abandoned movie theater - in a city center.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a link where we can see all these pictures the test subjects were shown?  </p>
<p>I wonder if there isn&#8217;t an aspect of urban vs. rural / suburban preference in the responses.  I don&#8217;t have numbers, but I believe there is a strong interest in todays 20 &#8211; 30 something year olds to be connected to urban centers.  Young people are living in cities and fleeing the boring suburban areas where their parents live.  Real estate values in many inner cities (Seattle, San Francisco, New York, Boston) have been holding strong depite the tumble in the market elsewhere, meaning there is strong demand by people wanting to move there.</p>
<p>To my mind, cathedrals are associated with city centers whereas other church architectures (particularly the ones in the above insert) are more associated with the suburbs.</p>
<p>I wonder how people would respond to a church that doesn&#8217;t look like a church &#8211; like one in an old warehouse or abandoned movie theater &#8211; in a city center.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/05/07/this-generation-loves-authentagevintage-authentic/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bahler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evan and Marla

Thanks for the valuable insight. 

Evan, research supports your assessment that the vote may have been about what they don&#039;t like more so than what they do. However, it seems clear the young crowd and even us older ones are looking for something real and permanent to connect with. We are all on information overload and looking for something real to anchor and orient us a bit it seems. 

Marla, 

Your question about whether they would attend a &quot;vintage&quot; church or the Starbucks one is an important one of course! Interesting issue, I&#039;ll post my thoughts in the next day or so and will be looking for your comments. 

Thanks to both of you for sharing and enhancing the dialogs.

Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan and Marla</p>
<p>Thanks for the valuable insight. </p>
<p>Evan, research supports your assessment that the vote may have been about what they don&#8217;t like more so than what they do. However, it seems clear the young crowd and even us older ones are looking for something real and permanent to connect with. We are all on information overload and looking for something real to anchor and orient us a bit it seems. </p>
<p>Marla, </p>
<p>Your question about whether they would attend a &#8220;vintage&#8221; church or the Starbucks one is an important one of course! Interesting issue, I&#8217;ll post my thoughts in the next day or so and will be looking for your comments. </p>
<p>Thanks to both of you for sharing and enhancing the dialogs.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Evan McBroom</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/05/07/this-generation-loves-authentagevintage-authentic/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan McBroom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could it be that the unchurched are both &quot;turned on&quot; by the romance, vintage and perceived peace embodied in gothic architecture - and at the same time, in selecting that gothic building expressing that they are &quot;turned off&quot; by the things that they perceive about contemporary churches?  Judgmental, legalistic, narrow, etc.  Here in an election year, let&#039;s remember that sometimes it looks like we are voting &quot;for&quot; a candidate when what we are really doing is voting &quot;against&quot; the other candidate.  Perhaps in voting &quot;for&quot; gothic the survey participants were also voting &quot;against&quot; their perceptions of “today’s” church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that the unchurched are both &#8220;turned on&#8221; by the romance, vintage and perceived peace embodied in gothic architecture &#8211; and at the same time, in selecting that gothic building expressing that they are &#8220;turned off&#8221; by the things that they perceive about contemporary churches?  Judgmental, legalistic, narrow, etc.  Here in an election year, let&#8217;s remember that sometimes it looks like we are voting &#8220;for&#8221; a candidate when what we are really doing is voting &#8220;against&#8221; the other candidate.  Perhaps in voting &#8220;for&#8221; gothic the survey participants were also voting &#8220;against&#8221; their perceptions of “today’s” church.</p>
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		<title>By: Marla Saunders</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/05/07/this-generation-loves-authentagevintage-authentic/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marla Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a really interesting topic of conversation, and it is necessary as ministries move forward making decisions about what works and what doesn&#039;t.

The questions I would have are these: is the predisposition toward a traditonal looking church aesthetic only, or does it translate into action? In other words, would the unchurched think they want a classic church but actually not attend it? Would they attend the one that feels more like Starbucks even while saying they prefer the more traditonal? Is it -- since they don&#039;t currently attend a church at all -- a matter of what architecture they would like to see gracing their town squares? Would it influence their actions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really interesting topic of conversation, and it is necessary as ministries move forward making decisions about what works and what doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The questions I would have are these: is the predisposition toward a traditonal looking church aesthetic only, or does it translate into action? In other words, would the unchurched think they want a classic church but actually not attend it? Would they attend the one that feels more like Starbucks even while saying they prefer the more traditonal? Is it &#8212; since they don&#8217;t currently attend a church at all &#8212; a matter of what architecture they would like to see gracing their town squares? Would it influence their actions?</p>
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		<title>By: This Generation Loves “Authentage”=Vintage + Authentic</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/05/07/this-generation-loves-authentagevintage-authentic/#comment-154</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Craig Carter wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptIt’s interesting to realize that when the unchurched think about attending a Christian ministry, some of them prefer going to something outside their everyday experience - something that doesn’t look just like the malls, theaters, &#8230; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Craig Carter wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptIt’s interesting to realize that when the unchurched think about attending a Christian ministry, some of them prefer going to something outside their everyday experience &#8211; something that doesn’t look just like the malls, theaters, &#8230; [...]</p>
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