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		<title>By: Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bahler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Joy...I&#039;ll check it out.

Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joy&#8230;I&#8217;ll check it out.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Joy Frey-Waltmire</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-971</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joy Frey-Waltmire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed...I hope you scroll down to find this...you might love a teaching pastor named Paul Washer.....we listened and were very convitcted...you can google the name]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed&#8230;I hope you scroll down to find this&#8230;you might love a teaching pastor named Paul Washer&#8230;..we listened and were very convitcted&#8230;you can google the name</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bahler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tyrone,

Both great points.

Thanks for bringing us back to the intentional training issue. Your point about a scoreboard for feedback it a key as well. 

Both vital parts.....equipping people for success then measuring  their progress and giving them feedback!

Your always thinking...thanks...I&#039;ll add them.

Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyrone,</p>
<p>Both great points.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing us back to the intentional training issue. Your point about a scoreboard for feedback it a key as well. </p>
<p>Both vital parts&#8230;..equipping people for success then measuring  their progress and giving them feedback!</p>
<p>Your always thinking&#8230;thanks&#8230;I&#8217;ll add them.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bahler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lex

Thats it! I remembered the thought that women want to be valued for their beauty...but not just beauty alone but their spirit as well. I&#039;ve always struggled to fully under stand that beauty issue.

I was raised to think more along the line that &quot;beauty is vain&quot; and God&#039;s primary concern is the heart. Of course we know it&#039;s first and foremost about the heart. However, I never quite understood why the Bible always seemed to esteem the beauty of the women in the stories. Whether it was Sarah, Rachel, or others beauty was a valued attribute and called out....hummm.  

And, I do think Wild At Heart was hitting on something significant with the lady wants to be a part of the adventure not just sitting on the sidelines watching it happen.

So you other ladies out there....thoughts??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex</p>
<p>Thats it! I remembered the thought that women want to be valued for their beauty&#8230;but not just beauty alone but their spirit as well. I&#8217;ve always struggled to fully under stand that beauty issue.</p>
<p>I was raised to think more along the line that &#8220;beauty is vain&#8221; and God&#8217;s primary concern is the heart. Of course we know it&#8217;s first and foremost about the heart. However, I never quite understood why the Bible always seemed to esteem the beauty of the women in the stories. Whether it was Sarah, Rachel, or others beauty was a valued attribute and called out&#8230;.hummm.  </p>
<p>And, I do think Wild At Heart was hitting on something significant with the lady wants to be a part of the adventure not just sitting on the sidelines watching it happen.</p>
<p>So you other ladies out there&#8230;.thoughts??</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrone B.</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyrone B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed,
I think the list that you gave would help any church that wants to get their members more invloved in spreading the Gospel.

The things that I would add to the list is: Training.

Train them and equip them, then send them out. Just like Jesus did with the desciples.
People typically wont do anything that they volunteered for, but did not receive proper training on how to do it.

Also, there needs to be a way of measuring results. Knowing that what we are doing is impacting others, is a great motivator to keep on doing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
I think the list that you gave would help any church that wants to get their members more invloved in spreading the Gospel.</p>
<p>The things that I would add to the list is: Training.</p>
<p>Train them and equip them, then send them out. Just like Jesus did with the desciples.<br />
People typically wont do anything that they volunteered for, but did not receive proper training on how to do it.</p>
<p>Also, there needs to be a way of measuring results. Knowing that what we are doing is impacting others, is a great motivator to keep on doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-887</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha ha. You nailed it.

There&#039;s a separate book for the ladies called Captivated, but I haven&#039;t read it. The author talks about a woman&#039;s heart a bit in Wild At Heart, but I don&#039;t know if I remember all of it.

He narrows it down to three things, and right now I can recall two: that women want to ride off into the sunset with the hero (not just be rescued and left behind in safety, but join the adventure), and that women want to know there is a beauty about them that is worth fighting for over and over again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha. You nailed it.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a separate book for the ladies called Captivated, but I haven&#8217;t read it. The author talks about a woman&#8217;s heart a bit in Wild At Heart, but I don&#8217;t know if I remember all of it.</p>
<p>He narrows it down to three things, and right now I can recall two: that women want to ride off into the sunset with the hero (not just be rescued and left behind in safety, but join the adventure), and that women want to know there is a beauty about them that is worth fighting for over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-885</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bahler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eugene,

Thanks for stopping by. I&#039;ll try do dig up the &quot;Wild At Heart&quot; book I read several years ago. 

A brief synopsis is:

God created every man to fight an epic  battle, protect the village, and win the heart of the beautiful lady in the process. Every man has this need to know he&#039;s up to it...he&#039;s not only capable but respected as such. The &quot;right of passage&quot; is about  the village recognizing the growth of a boy into a man prepared to take on the responsibility.

There&#039;s a reason so many childhood stories carry this theme and many of the movies today as well. 

Lex....am I getting this right...it&#039;s been awhile. What&#039;s the story for the ladies....that side is fuzzy

Ed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by. I&#8217;ll try do dig up the &#8220;Wild At Heart&#8221; book I read several years ago. </p>
<p>A brief synopsis is:</p>
<p>God created every man to fight an epic  battle, protect the village, and win the heart of the beautiful lady in the process. Every man has this need to know he&#8217;s up to it&#8230;he&#8217;s not only capable but respected as such. The &#8220;right of passage&#8221; is about  the village recognizing the growth of a boy into a man prepared to take on the responsibility.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason so many childhood stories carry this theme and many of the movies today as well. </p>
<p>Lex&#8230;.am I getting this right&#8230;it&#8217;s been awhile. What&#8217;s the story for the ladies&#8230;.that side is fuzzy</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bahler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jenny and Ann...

Thanks for stopping by and sharing. It was interesting to learn of Johnny&#039;s experiences after all these years.  I found it fascinating he talked to you kids about WW II but never me.

This right of passage thing is a big deal as you mentioned Ann. It reminds me of that time Clint sprinted up the emergency stairs to the top of the Sears tower just to prove he could do it. Remember, those police officers almost arrested him for being in that stairway and we all but missed the train back to Lafayette.

We need to know we have it.....right of passage....braveheart....whatever you call it.  Both of you will need to help your boys discover that along the way.

dad]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny and Ann&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and sharing. It was interesting to learn of Johnny&#8217;s experiences after all these years.  I found it fascinating he talked to you kids about WW II but never me.</p>
<p>This right of passage thing is a big deal as you mentioned Ann. It reminds me of that time Clint sprinted up the emergency stairs to the top of the Sears tower just to prove he could do it. Remember, those police officers almost arrested him for being in that stairway and we all but missed the train back to Lafayette.</p>
<p>We need to know we have it&#8230;..right of passage&#8230;.braveheart&#8230;.whatever you call it.  Both of you will need to help your boys discover that along the way.</p>
<p>dad</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey dad,

I smiled so big seeing a picture of Jonny and thinking of all the days at the old park.  =o)  I&#039;ve heard many of his war stories over a cold drink out at his cabin with Marla...he was a huge part of my world history education.  =o)  Jonny always took time for children.  

I agree with Lex&#039;s comment on a right of passage.  I really want to bring this into my three boy&#039;s life when they get older and hope that a mission trip with Luke or some land mark event can fill the void of this lost tradition.  

love you,

Ann]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey dad,</p>
<p>I smiled so big seeing a picture of Jonny and thinking of all the days at the old park.  =o)  I&#8217;ve heard many of his war stories over a cold drink out at his cabin with Marla&#8230;he was a huge part of my world history education.  =o)  Jonny always took time for children.  </p>
<p>I agree with Lex&#8217;s comment on a right of passage.  I really want to bring this into my three boy&#8217;s life when they get older and hope that a mission trip with Luke or some land mark event can fill the void of this lost tradition.  </p>
<p>love you,</p>
<p>Ann</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something huge that we&#039;re trying to work into our student ministry (largely as a result of reading Wild At Heart and getting a huge paradigm shift) is a rite of passage.

Western societies lost this tradition somewhere; that moment when the community gathers around to support boys becoming men and girls, women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something huge that we&#8217;re trying to work into our student ministry (largely as a result of reading Wild At Heart and getting a huge paradigm shift) is a rite of passage.</p>
<p>Western societies lost this tradition somewhere; that moment when the community gathers around to support boys becoming men and girls, women.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[looking forward for more information about this. thanks for sharing. Eugene]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looking forward for more information about this. thanks for sharing. Eugene</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Gutwein</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/10/20/do-you-have-it/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny Gutwein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Dad,

Thanks for your transparency &amp; good thoughts. It is great to see a pic. of Johnny Wilkerson :). Love, J]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Dad,</p>
<p>Thanks for your transparency &amp; good thoughts. It is great to see a pic. of Johnny Wilkerson <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Love, J</p>
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