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	<description>Understanding the intersection of...Evolving Culture...Relevant Ministry....Empowering Leadership....and Intentional  Facilities</description>
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		<title>Comment on Wild Goose Chase by Marla Saunders</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/20/wild-goose-chase/#comment-583</link>
		<dc:creator>Marla Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just realized that the amazon box that came probably has Wild Goose inside it! Yay! A lightweight (in terms of pounds) book that i'm dying to read arriving on the night before a major trip. God is good.


Sorry I haven't been around the blog lately. I actually think that my life may be returning to normal! ANd I am celebrating both failures and victories as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just realized that the amazon box that came probably has Wild Goose inside it! Yay! A lightweight (in terms of pounds) book that i&#8217;m dying to read arriving on the night before a major trip. God is good.</p>
<p>Sorry I haven&#8217;t been around the blog lately. I actually think that my life may be returning to normal! ANd I am celebrating both failures and victories as a result.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is God Omnipresent? by Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/18/is-god-omnipresent/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bahler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I really liked the "I saw God Today" lyrics. Artists seem to feel at such a different level than the rest of us. Sometimes I think we are so far from where God intended us to be in our day to day thoughts. But, Paul seemed to struggle with that too so I guess we're in good company!

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I really liked the &#8220;I saw God Today&#8221; lyrics. Artists seem to feel at such a different level than the rest of us. Sometimes I think we are so far from where God intended us to be in our day to day thoughts. But, Paul seemed to struggle with that too so I guess we&#8217;re in good company!</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is God Omnipresent? by Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/18/is-god-omnipresent/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bahler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jens,

It's so good to have you back to share. I'm always enriched by your blog thoughts and insights here. 

l used your Beth Moore quote in my post today without giving you credit. I hope that's OK. I was trying to keep it succinct. But, what a great thought and challenge to be a life long learner. And, to be real, honest, and vulnerable  as well.

Your perseverance in Gainseville is an example to us. Thanks for trusting in Him!

Dad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jens,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so good to have you back to share. I&#8217;m always enriched by your blog thoughts and insights here. </p>
<p>l used your Beth Moore quote in my post today without giving you credit. I hope that&#8217;s OK. I was trying to keep it succinct. But, what a great thought and challenge to be a life long learner. And, to be real, honest, and vulnerable  as well.</p>
<p>Your perseverance in Gainseville is an example to us. Thanks for trusting in Him!</p>
<p>Dad</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is God Omnipresent? by Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/18/is-god-omnipresent/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bahler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,

Thanks for your special story. Those bugs are so remarkable. 

It's also remarkable that as a mother of three you still have the curiosity and wonder you had as a 5 year old. What a great memory! You made me smile and my day rich.

As a parent, maybe the biggest affirmation of God is the experience of watching your kids grow in Him. As remarkable as that mantis was Ann, you're far more so. 

Love you much...your doing a great job!

Dad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>Thanks for your special story. Those bugs are so remarkable. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also remarkable that as a mother of three you still have the curiosity and wonder you had as a 5 year old. What a great memory! You made me smile and my day rich.</p>
<p>As a parent, maybe the biggest affirmation of God is the experience of watching your kids grow in Him. As remarkable as that mantis was Ann, you&#8217;re far more so. </p>
<p>Love you much&#8230;your doing a great job!</p>
<p>Dad</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is God Omnipresent? by Jenny Gutwein</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/18/is-god-omnipresent/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Gutwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dad,

Thanks for your comment! 

I really enjoyed your list of how to fail in business... life... etc... 

I also enjoy this post. We are actually working thru these at church right now... God Omnipresent, Omniscience, etc... I appreciate your honesty in your bit of a different take in omnipresence. 
Beth Moore recently stated in a conference that her daughters are not as concerned with how much she knows vs. her desire to grow &#38; keep it real. I very much agree as a child &#38; parent. 

Love, 
J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dad,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment! </p>
<p>I really enjoyed your list of how to fail in business&#8230; life&#8230; etc&#8230; </p>
<p>I also enjoy this post. We are actually working thru these at church right now&#8230; God Omnipresent, Omniscience, etc&#8230; I appreciate your honesty in your bit of a different take in omnipresence.<br />
Beth Moore recently stated in a conference that her daughters are not as concerned with how much she knows vs. her desire to grow &amp; keep it real. I very much agree as a child &amp; parent. </p>
<p>Love,<br />
J</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is God Omnipresent? by Ann</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/18/is-god-omnipresent/#comment-566</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a baby praying mantis yesterday and for some reason it was more impressive than an adult since it was so intricate.  It was so tiny and had a brown body to match the stick it was on and green legs to fade into his leafy perch.  As I was watching it, it jumped probably three times it's body width to catch a meal...it was WILD.  It kept moving in an odd shaky motion...I think like a leaf blowing, back and forth...and I lost sight of him couldn't find it again it was so camo...I realized I had stopped breathing while I was watching it.  

That little bug...testified a creator today and I have the conviction that all over the globe, people see God in ways that He sees fit.  I just think there is no lack of evidence that God is here-it's whether we can absorb the information with a humble heart, right?  

I'm not saying it's as simple as seeing a bug on a twig...but God meets us where we're at with what we need to see Him and know him.  I think the verse "I stand at the door and Knock" means that God is very intentional in his calling of hearts to Him no matter where on the globe and whether a missionary has set up camp near by or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a baby praying mantis yesterday and for some reason it was more impressive than an adult since it was so intricate.  It was so tiny and had a brown body to match the stick it was on and green legs to fade into his leafy perch.  As I was watching it, it jumped probably three times it&#8217;s body width to catch a meal&#8230;it was WILD.  It kept moving in an odd shaky motion&#8230;I think like a leaf blowing, back and forth&#8230;and I lost sight of him couldn&#8217;t find it again it was so camo&#8230;I realized I had stopped breathing while I was watching it.  </p>
<p>That little bug&#8230;testified a creator today and I have the conviction that all over the globe, people see God in ways that He sees fit.  I just think there is no lack of evidence that God is here-it&#8217;s whether we can absorb the information with a humble heart, right?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s as simple as seeing a bug on a twig&#8230;but God meets us where we&#8217;re at with what we need to see Him and know him.  I think the verse &#8220;I stand at the door and Knock&#8221; means that God is very intentional in his calling of hearts to Him no matter where on the globe and whether a missionary has set up camp near by or not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Left Behind by Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/16/left-behind/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bahler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebekah,

Thanks for jumping in. I always deeply appreciate your passion and insight. 
You never lose me. In fact, your "open mind" ramblings are some of your best. Your thoughts about making the simple things as important as the big things is valuable. Yes, it does seem to begin and end with selfless love for our neighbor. If we miss that everything else is plastic and hallow. 

Wise insight...thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebekah,</p>
<p>Thanks for jumping in. I always deeply appreciate your passion and insight.<br />
You never lose me. In fact, your &#8220;open mind&#8221; ramblings are some of your best. Your thoughts about making the simple things as important as the big things is valuable. Yes, it does seem to begin and end with selfless love for our neighbor. If we miss that everything else is plastic and hallow. </p>
<p>Wise insight&#8230;thanks again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is God Omnipresent? by The Church Bartender</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/18/is-god-omnipresent/#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator>The Church Bartender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, sometimes during such deep conversation, nothing can really speak better than a good country song:

I SAW GOD TODAY - thanks george strait for your blog contribution

I just walked down the street to the coffee shop
had to take a break 
I'd been by her side for eighteen hours straight
I saw a flower growing in the middle of the sidewalk
pushing up through the concrete
like it was planted right there for me to see
the flashin' lights, the honkin' horns
all seemed to fade away
in the shadow of that hospital at 5:08
I saw God today

Chorus:
I've been to church
I've read the book
I know He's here, but I don't look
near as often as I should
Yeah, I know I should
His fingerprints are everywhere
I'd just slow down to stop and stare
opened my eyes and man I swear
I saw God today

I saw a couple walking by they were holding hands
Man, she had that glow
yeah I couldn't help but notice she was starting to show
it stood there for a minute takin' the sky
lost in that sunset
a splash of amber melted in the shades of red

Chorus

I got my face pressed up against the nursery glass
She's sleeping like a rock
My name on her wrist wearing tiny pink socks
She's got my nose, she's got her mama's eyes
My brand new baby girl
She's a miracle 
I saw God today</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, sometimes during such deep conversation, nothing can really speak better than a good country song:</p>
<p>I SAW GOD TODAY - thanks george strait for your blog contribution</p>
<p>I just walked down the street to the coffee shop<br />
had to take a break<br />
I&#8217;d been by her side for eighteen hours straight<br />
I saw a flower growing in the middle of the sidewalk<br />
pushing up through the concrete<br />
like it was planted right there for me to see<br />
the flashin&#8217; lights, the honkin&#8217; horns<br />
all seemed to fade away<br />
in the shadow of that hospital at 5:08<br />
I saw God today</p>
<p>Chorus:<br />
I&#8217;ve been to church<br />
I&#8217;ve read the book<br />
I know He&#8217;s here, but I don&#8217;t look<br />
near as often as I should<br />
Yeah, I know I should<br />
His fingerprints are everywhere<br />
I&#8217;d just slow down to stop and stare<br />
opened my eyes and man I swear<br />
I saw God today</p>
<p>I saw a couple walking by they were holding hands<br />
Man, she had that glow<br />
yeah I couldn&#8217;t help but notice she was starting to show<br />
it stood there for a minute takin&#8217; the sky<br />
lost in that sunset<br />
a splash of amber melted in the shades of red</p>
<p>Chorus</p>
<p>I got my face pressed up against the nursery glass<br />
She&#8217;s sleeping like a rock<br />
My name on her wrist wearing tiny pink socks<br />
She&#8217;s got my nose, she&#8217;s got her mama&#8217;s eyes<br />
My brand new baby girl<br />
She&#8217;s a miracle<br />
I saw God today</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1,500 Pastors by The Church Bartender</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/14/1500-pastors/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>The Church Bartender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotchya.  Wow, do these conversations keep surrounding me.  I ran into another two couples at my church this morning that recently left 'church jobs' and say they are now 'happier and more free than ever'.

Okay - before some reading of this blog freaks out on me, no, I am not saying that ministry never happens at, in, or through a church or church staff member - - let's just decide now to move beyond that.  

Staff are leaving at an alarming and unhealthy rate for the local church.  I hear guys stand up and say that the 'local church' is the last great hope for America - - - and I know some of the staff and ex-staff from some of those churches.  I'm just saying...............we need to start having converastions, dialogues, two-way street kind of stuff.

I think this blog and the various generations, genders, and gurus that are reading and gettin' their blog on are a good start........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotchya.  Wow, do these conversations keep surrounding me.  I ran into another two couples at my church this morning that recently left &#8216;church jobs&#8217; and say they are now &#8216;happier and more free than ever&#8217;.</p>
<p>Okay - before some reading of this blog freaks out on me, no, I am not saying that ministry never happens at, in, or through a church or church staff member - - let&#8217;s just decide now to move beyond that.  </p>
<p>Staff are leaving at an alarming and unhealthy rate for the local church.  I hear guys stand up and say that the &#8216;local church&#8217; is the last great hope for America - - - and I know some of the staff and ex-staff from some of those churches.  I&#8217;m just saying&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;we need to start having converastions, dialogues, two-way street kind of stuff.</p>
<p>I think this blog and the various generations, genders, and gurus that are reading and gettin&#8217; their blog on are a good start&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Left Behind by rebekah</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/16/left-behind/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>once again it just seems like another example of a young person desiring to do something that makes a bigger impact than a "normal life". I think the fact that he was so ready to jump aboard with his parents in this, indicates that he must see something so very attractive in their desire to step out of their comfort zones and do something difficult. I think like I've said before, this generation wants to be called to something difficult...something greater than themselves. 

I sense that in myself...even as I watch the Olympics and see these men and women doing things that are almost super-human (and granted, it's not even things that are going to last...the records will be broken), it makes me want to do something in my life that is significant to someone. 

I guess there can be a bit of a problem though, when we don't see the significance in the "normal" life as well. It seems like we sometimes are waiting for that significant event or calling to fall in our laps when God may be calling us to become significant where we are by stepping out into the uncomfortable places in our present surroundings. Even just the small things like speaking truth to someone who may only want to hear the soft words...being willing to be vulnerable and share where God is having to change us...being willing to associate with the unnoticed and seek relationships with those who seemingly would never elevate our social status in any way. (I'm speaking to myself on these things because they are the ways I feel God wants me to step out and so often it seems too difficult...and yet I think I'm ready for the "difficult and significant" tasks)

Am I even on the same wave length as your post here?!? Maybe i"m just off on a tangent and you'd rather like to see me just chase this little tangent over the hill like a bunny. 

i'll stop writing...it's late and i'm not making a  lot of sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once again it just seems like another example of a young person desiring to do something that makes a bigger impact than a &#8220;normal life&#8221;. I think the fact that he was so ready to jump aboard with his parents in this, indicates that he must see something so very attractive in their desire to step out of their comfort zones and do something difficult. I think like I&#8217;ve said before, this generation wants to be called to something difficult&#8230;something greater than themselves. </p>
<p>I sense that in myself&#8230;even as I watch the Olympics and see these men and women doing things that are almost super-human (and granted, it&#8217;s not even things that are going to last&#8230;the records will be broken), it makes me want to do something in my life that is significant to someone. </p>
<p>I guess there can be a bit of a problem though, when we don&#8217;t see the significance in the &#8220;normal&#8221; life as well. It seems like we sometimes are waiting for that significant event or calling to fall in our laps when God may be calling us to become significant where we are by stepping out into the uncomfortable places in our present surroundings. Even just the small things like speaking truth to someone who may only want to hear the soft words&#8230;being willing to be vulnerable and share where God is having to change us&#8230;being willing to associate with the unnoticed and seek relationships with those who seemingly would never elevate our social status in any way. (I&#8217;m speaking to myself on these things because they are the ways I feel God wants me to step out and so often it seems too difficult&#8230;and yet I think I&#8217;m ready for the &#8220;difficult and significant&#8221; tasks)</p>
<p>Am I even on the same wave length as your post here?!? Maybe i&#8221;m just off on a tangent and you&#8217;d rather like to see me just chase this little tangent over the hill like a bunny. </p>
<p>i&#8217;ll stop writing&#8230;it&#8217;s late and i&#8217;m not making a  lot of sense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1,500 Pastors by Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/14/1500-pastors/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bahler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Yea, I'm with you. I was editorializing a bit in response to your comment about your friends having to get out of the church to do real Kingdom work. I've heard many stories about staff getting hunkered down in admin stuff versus ministry stuff. 

I was tracking the deeper point of your comment about God and church etc.

Thanks brother!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Yea, I&#8217;m with you. I was editorializing a bit in response to your comment about your friends having to get out of the church to do real Kingdom work. I&#8217;ve heard many stories about staff getting hunkered down in admin stuff versus ministry stuff. </p>
<p>I was tracking the deeper point of your comment about God and church etc.</p>
<p>Thanks brother!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1,500 Pastors by The Church Bartender</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/14/1500-pastors/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>The Church Bartender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments were around "why guys are getting burned out and /or leaving 'church work' every month - - - not the other post about fast growth."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments were around &#8220;why guys are getting burned out and /or leaving &#8216;church work&#8217; every month - - - not the other post about fast growth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Be Still And Know&#8230; by Thomas</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/08/be-still-and-know/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't that just life...pressing hard, and then God says unexpectedly "meet me here."  He had that little beach walk planned for you since before those cliffs and sands took shape and I praise Him that you said "yes" to the invitation "meet Me here!"  I wonder how often I go flying by, eyes fixed on some destination.....it's too cold for a walk....

The streets and beaches of California were blessed to have footprints left by the ed bahler family, and fingerprints left on hearts touched with your love along the way!

Come again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that just life&#8230;pressing hard, and then God says unexpectedly &#8220;meet me here.&#8221;  He had that little beach walk planned for you since before those cliffs and sands took shape and I praise Him that you said &#8220;yes&#8221; to the invitation &#8220;meet Me here!&#8221;  I wonder how often I go flying by, eyes fixed on some destination&#8230;..it&#8217;s too cold for a walk&#8230;.</p>
<p>The streets and beaches of California were blessed to have footprints left by the ed bahler family, and fingerprints left on hearts touched with your love along the way!</p>
<p>Come again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1,500 Pastors by Ed Bahler</title>
		<link>http://edbahler.com/2008/08/14/1500-pastors/#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bahler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruth,

Thanks for jumping in here.

There was a day church and God were connected of course. It's interesting to ponder just how the perception, or reality, of a division came about. We'll explore it further here soon.

Regarding owning our issues...

Why do we fight so hard against owning our issues? It's fear isn't it...fear of rejection...fear of being alone if we are losers. What might the verse "perfect love casts out all fear" suggest? Maybe we lack the kind of perfect love for God that provides the deep rooted security necessary to own our failures without fear. Maybe we lack the perfect love for others that makes it OK if they reject us. OK because a love for others would make it about others...not about ourselves anyway, right? What do you think?

Regarding who defines us...

Is it hard to define ourselves because of the world? Or, is it hard because we are not believing in God's love for us and have a clear identity in who's we are? If we had a clear faith and resulting identity in who's we were (and the hope that goes with such an identity) could the world opinion affect us at all? 

It reminds me of the saying, "If we don't know where we are going any road gets us there." If we don't know who's we are any identity can easily stick to us. This seems to tie to my grandmothers thoughts in that our actions do in the end define us. But our actions are a result of what's in our heart. Proverbs teaches, "Keep your heart with all diligence for out of it are the issues of life". And I think of the verse, "Out of the abundance of the heart our mouths speak". The root to our identity is the perceptions of our own heart not the perceptions of the world's view of us. If the "world" has preeminence in our heart then it define us. If we are pilgrims here, a very different definition surfaces quite naturally it seems. We fool no one. Our eyes and actions are a window to our heart.    

I hope I'm making some sense? I'd appreciate your thoughts. 

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth,</p>
<p>Thanks for jumping in here.</p>
<p>There was a day church and God were connected of course. It&#8217;s interesting to ponder just how the perception, or reality, of a division came about. We&#8217;ll explore it further here soon.</p>
<p>Regarding owning our issues&#8230;</p>
<p>Why do we fight so hard against owning our issues? It&#8217;s fear isn&#8217;t it&#8230;fear of rejection&#8230;fear of being alone if we are losers. What might the verse &#8220;perfect love casts out all fear&#8221; suggest? Maybe we lack the kind of perfect love for God that provides the deep rooted security necessary to own our failures without fear. Maybe we lack the perfect love for others that makes it OK if they reject us. OK because a love for others would make it about others&#8230;not about ourselves anyway, right? What do you think?</p>
<p>Regarding who defines us&#8230;</p>
<p>Is it hard to define ourselves because of the world? Or, is it hard because we are not believing in God&#8217;s love for us and have a clear identity in who&#8217;s we are? If we had a clear faith and resulting identity in who&#8217;s we were (and the hope that goes with such an identity) could the world opinion affect us at all? </p>
<p>It reminds me of the saying, &#8220;If we don&#8217;t know where we are going any road gets us there.&#8221; If we don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s we are any identity can easily stick to us. This seems to tie to my grandmothers thoughts in that our actions do in the end define us. But our actions are a result of what&#8217;s in our heart. Proverbs teaches, &#8220;Keep your heart with all diligence for out of it are the issues of life&#8221;. And I think of the verse, &#8220;Out of the abundance of the heart our mouths speak&#8221;. The root to our identity is the perceptions of our own heart not the perceptions of the world&#8217;s view of us. If the &#8220;world&#8221; has preeminence in our heart then it define us. If we are pilgrims here, a very different definition surfaces quite naturally it seems. We fool no one. Our eyes and actions are a window to our heart.    </p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m making some sense? I&#8217;d appreciate your thoughts. </p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bahler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bartender,

Come on...tell us how do you really feel? 

It's tough for any organization that grows quickly to lose its focus and get caught up in administration. It takes great leadership to keep the focus on a few key priorities. That may be a part of the struggle you and others are frustrated about.   

But I sense the real issue is far deeper. It may be about how we see God and believe He works in the heart of all of us. Your comments are provoking thoughts I'll post about soon. Thanks  Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bartender,</p>
<p>Come on&#8230;tell us how do you really feel? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough for any organization that grows quickly to lose its focus and get caught up in administration. It takes great leadership to keep the focus on a few key priorities. That may be a part of the struggle you and others are frustrated about.   </p>
<p>But I sense the real issue is far deeper. It may be about how we see God and believe He works in the heart of all of us. Your comments are provoking thoughts I&#8217;ll post about soon. Thanks  Michael.</p>
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